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wilkes1977

Posted 11:09 pm, 12/11/2018

ladym (view profile)
Posted 10:54 pm, 12/11/2018
Churches usually have money for everything else, to give a few people a place to get out of a winter storm should be a Christian duty.

And they do that ladym, probably not all but as I have stated several times there are several that do. Dear lord do you people really think churches don’t do anything to help ? Yes they may not house them at the church but to act like they do nothing is ignorance on your part. It’s great mother of dragons church is thinking about something that and great if they do. There’s circumstances that keep churches nowadays from just leaving the doors open ie drug use, child molesters, and other criminal backgrounds that can become an issue, but it doesn’t stop many reaching out and giving help or taking them to a warm place.

CitizenBee

Posted 11:05 pm, 12/11/2018

Aha ! So that's the reason everyone is cozy and warm on snowy nights.

~glitter and glamour~

Posted 11:03 pm, 12/11/2018

My takeaway is that you propose 160 churches ( no, there aren't 200 churches) in Wilkes to open their doors as emergency shelters to 125 homeless people. It appears you imagine they can be unmanned by an overseer, offer no food or showers, with only the minimum liability insurance the church

Note from GoNC: a portion of this post was removed for trolling.

Again, what I am offering, is that it is more effective for churches to donate their monies to entities which can best provide for the homeless in everyday and emergency situations.

Note from GoNC: another portion...

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 11:01 pm, 12/11/2018

He would lead by example by going out and taking care of the poor himself instead of complaining about someone else should do it.

CitizenBee

Posted 11:00 pm, 12/11/2018

What would Jesus do ? Would he say sorry you might mess up our beautiful church ??

ladym

Posted 10:54 pm, 12/11/2018

Churches usually have money for everything else, to give a few people a place to get out of a winter storm should be a Christian duty.

wilkes1977

Posted 10:42 pm, 12/11/2018

Do I feel that the church should be a place where homeless can go in storms ? Honestly that should be up to the church as a whole but to say it’s the churches problem and because churches don’t do anything and people are diying because of that is farce. I know several churches that does a lot for homeless and even the elderly as well

Note from GoNC: a portion of this post was removed that was in response to the earlier trolling.

mother of dragons

Posted 9:28 pm, 12/11/2018

I agree that the state should have no say over it. So I don't agree with it being done as a condition of being tax exempt. However, churches should be doing this on their own already.

BlackRose258

Posted 9:24 pm, 12/11/2018

The problem with housing these people is that if you let state take control, then it will interfere with the church. They already mandate the food pantries and to let them mandate any further would be pentule for problems.Really what folks need is an emergency shelter for the homeless built that can house at least 100 ppl. They have one down here I believe, just not for homeless situations.
The armory only opens when it's like flooding and ect. But it could be used for that.From what I was told and this is a rumor I guess. A homeless person cause out in the cold will be taken down the police station or jail cell and he will stay until morning and let free again. But he risks getting caught with his drugs or something else he's illegally doing. If you go up north wilkesboro towards save o lot. All you see is spoons and injection needles littering the grass in places towards the homeless shelter because they know they can't shoot up in the shelter. So they take it outside.

mother of dragons

Posted 9:23 pm, 12/11/2018

So, I feel like I just walked into a room with a whole group of people attacking one person for just having an idea. What happened to civil discussions on why you are for or against an issue? Why the constant attacks?


I actually think it's a pretty good idea. My church has been discussing the idea of doing something similar to this with our community building next door to our church. I can't understand why anyone would be arguing about this being a bad idea. What am I missing?

GoNC

Posted 9:18 pm, 12/11/2018

I removed several more posts that were off topic and/or trolling.

antithesis

Posted 9:01 pm, 12/11/2018

Explain why you always think that any church needs to house the homeless?

I wouldn't say that I've "always" thought it, it's just an idea that came to me recently.

But after a little research, I found that we have almost as many churches as we have homeless people. So if each church opened their doors to just 2 people then every homeless person would have somewhere to stay during a State of Emergency.

Would a church tax exempt status not be the same as a YMCA,A shelter for battered women,a housing project for the poor?

I'm not sure, but this seems relevant:


While they're still a 501(c)(3), there's apparently some sort of a different designation that they're a church.


3 people died none from from exposure. Although one woman in Asheville died when the power went off to her oxygen equipment. She was under hospice care it really looks like they would have had battery backup

I know, 168, you keep on saying that like it's relevant to the topic

What you don't know is how many people were staying in a tent and not sure if they would survive. Or how many found shelter in some place illegally (like breaking in to an abandoned building).

But what we do know:

Most deaths occurred in the conditions of cold stress (of different intensity). Deaths caused by hypothermia were thirteen-fold more frequently recorded among the homeless than for the general population. A relative risk of death for a homeless person even in moderate cold stress conditions is higher (RR = 1.84) than in thermoneutral conditions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...MC5739436/

Let me ask you this, 168. If all of the homeless people are "really" fine and don't need shelter, then what would it hurt for churches to open their doors? It sounds like you keep arguing that no one would use them... well, then, that's great! Right?

168Amax

Posted 8:41 pm, 12/11/2018

3 people died none from from exposure. Although one woman in Asheville died when the power went off to her oxygen equipment. She was under hospice care it really looks like they would have had battery backup

backwater

Posted 8:40 pm, 12/11/2018

Explain why you always think that any church needs to house the homeless? Would a church tax exempt status not be the same as a YMCA,A shelter for battered women,a housing project for the poor?

antithesis

Posted 8:36 pm, 12/11/2018

I already did, 168. Why you're trying to start a fight instead of discussing the topic doesn't make sense to me, you're usually better than that

But as I said before, "there are an estimated 12,918 homeless people in NC:"

https://www.national...olina.html

There are about 1,000 homeless shelters in North Carolina, and "many of these shelters now have waiting lists... many waiting lists are very long:"


But let's assume, as others have stated, that there's no demand for additional storm shelters. Then what would be the harm in a church opening its doors? No one would come, right?

And if only 1% of the homeless people had to go to a church for help, wouldn't it be better to save 129 lives than to let them suffer?

From a Christian perspective, what if that one charitable move could convert someone that hates God for "taking everything from them" to someone that's a true believer? How many souls would you need to save in order to justify it?

168Amax

Posted 8:25 pm, 12/11/2018

hundreds, if not thousands of people in our state that are dying on the street tonight,
prove that statement

antithesis

Posted 8:09 pm, 12/11/2018

Does Anti ever contribute to a non- profit organization?

Yes I do, backwater. Why does that matter?

I also give weekly to my church. And several years ago I volunteered to act as the bookkeeper for my church on 268 West, so I have a decent understanding of how the finances work. At the time we had a pastor that we paid $50,000 a year, gave him a house next to the church, and a car to drive, along with a gas and food allowance.

It appears that her opinions are the only correct answers.

Why do you say that? There have been 3 people in this thread that respond to any statement that I give with an insult, and then I do some quick research and prove that my statement is right they quickly disappear and insult something else.

I don't see where I've given any opinions and refused to listen to others.

Any non- profit organization including the towns,county,state,and federal governments do not generate income.The income comes from taxes for the governments and donations by the other non-profits.

Uhh, no, that's far from accurate. Non-profit organizations and churches make money from contributions from multiple sources, including private contributions. Most of them pay their employees based on the contributions they're given, and give bonuses when they have an excess.

And they usually have plenty of money left over at the end of the year that carries over to the next year. They just don't pay taxes on it.

Ask a Wilkes county resident what her local church has done for her.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. There's no doubt that most churches help out their congregation, but does that mean that they can't just leave a door open during a State of Emergency?

The Toy Store has over 1600 children that will get toys and other necessities for the holidays,provided by donations from the local churches.There are names of needy Seniors in some local businesses that someone will sponsor.There are so many needs and not enough resources in Wilkes to fill all these needs.

Again, I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic.


Are there standards that a homeless shelter must meet? IE; Background checks of people running the facility, Kitchens, showers, etc. I am sure there would be some liability issues.

I posted this earlier, ****sandgrins:


People keep talking about all of these other requirements, but I haven't seen any proof of that... just their opinion. FEMA doesn't seem to require that much.

As a temporary storm shelter, there wouldn't be any requirements of offering food or showering facilities, just a roof and a restroom.

Even though it doesn't seem to be legally required, there's no doubt that liability insurance would be a good idea. But as I said before, a church already has insurance to protect them if someone falls or if a child gets molested by a volunteer, and it covers when they have dinners and sleepovers, so I'm not sure why this would be any different. Even if it's slightly more expensive, it would more than offset the fact that they aren't required to pay any taxes.


The shelter was closed because the people did not come, it is really hard in this type of weather to get to a shelter.

Thank you, spanx, that'sd exactly my point! Where was the shelter? How were homeless people supposed to have known about it, or gotten to it?

But making it public knowledge that any church will be open as a storm shelter... now they know. And with over 200 churches in Wilkes county alone, they shouldn't have any problem getting to a church.

As far as the liability insurance I had mentioned earlier it isn't as easy as saying "oh, our insurance covers our members already from falling." It has to be included in your policy that you operate as a shelter in emergencies. You need it stated in that policy that it covers staff, volunteers and clients. If you serve food that too has to be stated. We had set up a little food pantry and our insurance agent made us take it down, he said unless you have insurance covering that I wouldn't do it. If someone gets sick from food that is given at your organization you can be sued. And while most people won't do that it only takes one.

Like I said before, though, there's no law requiring you to offer food, or anything else. And as you said, your insurance agent said that "he wouldn't do it," not that you couldn't do it.

General Liability insurance should cover everything we've discussed, though:


The average cost for general liability insurance is $62 a month, with a median of $36 a month:


So a church with 50 members asks people to chip in an extra $1 a month.

If you are on here bashing your church, maybe you are going to the wrong church. And maybe instead of pointing your finger at what others should be doing, what exactly are you doing?

I haven't seen anyone bashing a church at all, we're just discussing an idea! How would anyone take that as "bashing a church?"

I would think that any church would see this thread and think, "say, that's a good idea! It's a way that we could help people, and promote the Word of God."

And thank you for once again reminding me why I stay off of GoWilkes - darn weather!

What, why?! What are you seeing that no one else is seeing??


You don't have to be a church to open your doors to help people. All you gawdless heathens, give us your addresses so we can send the huddled masses to your doorsteps!

This has been talked about several times, Fredajo.

What you're talking about is helping a very small number of people in need, but we're discussing an idea to potentially help all of them.

I don't have a spare bedroom in my house, so I couldn't effectively offer to bring in someone to help. But a church is 5-10,000 square feet of space that's most likely just sitting there empty during an emergency:


And since churches are already tax exempt, it just makes sense for them to offer something in exchange for their status. An individual gets no such tax break for their help.

Fredajo

Posted 4:45 pm, 12/11/2018

Safetyman, you are CORRECT with this statement:

Couples without children can tell you best how to raise children
Un churched non-participants can tell you best how to spend your money

Fredajo

Posted 4:43 pm, 12/11/2018

You don't have to be a church to open your doors to help people. All you gawdless heathens, give us your addresses so we can send the huddled masses to your doorsteps!

hangsleft

Posted 4:14 pm, 12/11/2018

Churches are non-profit organizations, I mean if they were for profit could you imagine the mega churches that would be built. Wait a minute.....there are already mega churches. So does that mean they profit?

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