wilkes

in the eyes of the law, aren't we all guilty til proven innocent in a court of law. ?

http://www.toledoblade.com/...
I hope this link works, its from the Toledo Blade. The Ohio courts ruled that a game warden enter private property to check for hunting license even if there is no other reason. Private landownership or lease is just that it is just the land, not the wildlife that resides there. Wildlife is a resource that belongs to every one not just the property owner.

168, I have.

Landowner, doing some research,will let you know what I find out either way.

168, The warden was trespassing, prove differently. Anything done under covert circumstances such as this requires a warrant.

168, I have gotten rid of many trespassers without incident. We are talking about someone armed on your land who you try to make leave, and an assault occurs. Totally different from a mere trespasser.

Do you have a quote from Tom Horner concerning the legal right of Minton to be on Clyde's property without a warrant?

yourneighbor,
Tom Horner the elected District Attorney for Wilkes County said so and vaildated it by not charging or indicting Minton.

mech,
No LEO's foul up all the time, sometimes it is not intentional and sometimes they do things they know is wrong, LEO's are still human. You do not know who I am because I have never said who I am or what agency I am or have been employed with. I do not know if you are a good or bad person either. The ends never justifiy the means.

Where do you draw the line? At any action that is illegal, immoral or is forbidden under departmental policy.
When is an office in the wrong? I assume you mean the employing agency, when a sub-standard LEO is retained instead of being fired.
Only when they have them on video breaking the law? You posed this as a question and I am not sure what you mean or how to answer it unless you can clarify it for mean.

From the( Concealed Carry Handgun Training) manual published by the NC justice Academy,Roy Cooper Attorney General
( Trespass may be in violation of the law but the law does not allow deadly force to end the trespass.While non-lethal force is allowed against a trespasser,deadly force is not. Old court cases establish a sequence for using force to eject trespassers. First words must be used,second if words do not work, then gentle hands may be laid on the trespasser, if gentle hands do not work the owner may use whatever force necessary to remove the trespasser but may not use force likely to kill or cause great bodily harm.The prohibition against using deadly force to expel a trespasser does not apply to a tresspasser who is immediately threatening death serious injury or sexual assualt.)
Even if you feel some one is trespassing deadly force is clearly not allowed . Shoot some one for simpley trespassing after publicy stating the fact before hand would be Murder In the First. The warden was there because of a complaint, He was doing his job.

I would like to see the statements from these entities regarding the legalities of Minton not having a warrant. Please post these statements.

LEO you do come across as someone who believes the office is always right.

I don't know you and won't say that you are good or bad person? I do feel you believe that the end justifies the means, which is never a good thing.

Where do you draw the line?
When is an office in the wrong?
Only when they have them on video breaking the law?

yourneighbor,
In your opinion, well the DA, State AG's Office, SBI and NC Wildlife Resources Commission had a different opion.

i've never heard that a game warden had to have a warrant to come on your land. i have always heard that a game warden had more authority than a deputy or state trooper.

In my oponion Minton violated Constitional Law by not having a warrant and therefor was there illegally or in other words he was tresspassing just like the peeping Tom cop.

NC Citizen,
You lie, I did not do a "google search" of Odam's name, but try the like to the OFFICER DOWN MEMORIAL PAGE website and see for yourself, I provided a link for your convenience.

http://www.odmp.org/

Minton was far outside nc law. He was violating Coffee's 4th amendment rights when Coffee was killed.

NC Citizen,
Your last staement was a lie and you know it, I have never condoned any illegal or immoral actions by anyone especially the LEO's we should strive to be better in our actions than those that we police.

yourneighbor,
If the officer in Nebraska was doing that he should be charged with being a "peeping tom" also and fired and not allowed to hold a LEO certification ever again, like it or not Minton was not trespassing, he was acting under current NC law and in an offical capacity.

LEO cannot type without lying...

Officer down memorial page for Officer Robb Odam: http://www.policespecial.co...

Just because he had a badge did not give him the right to be there just like Minton.