The weakness of unbelief and the strength of faith
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Truthseeker911
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Posted 10:59 pm, 04/21/2015
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This way of thinking operates completely outside of logic.
Yet the right wing nutters do it every day!
( sorry, couldn't help myself)
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Top Soil
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Posted 10:45 pm, 04/21/2015
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Your choice, Believe or don't believe How does choose to believe in something?
Can you choose to believe in Superman?
If its a sunny day, can you choose to believe its raining?
Belief is NOT a choice, and even if it were, Belief doesn't equal truth. What kind of precedent would that set? being able to choose what is true just because you believe it. This way of thinking operates completely outside of logic.
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1047pm
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Posted 7:48 pm, 04/21/2015
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Top Soil (view profile) | Posted 4:47 pm, 04/21/2015 | also you're using circular logic, using the bible to prove that the bible is what the bible says the bible is. |
Top Soil (view profile) | Posted 4:46 pm, 04/21/2015 | The bible is no more proof for a god than a Spiderman comic book is proof for Doc Octopus. Also there are dozens of "holy" books all claiming to be the divinely inspired word of a god. What demonstrable evidence do you have that proves the bible is the only true one? |
Your choice, Believe or don't believe
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Top Soil
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Posted 4:47 pm, 04/21/2015
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also you're using circular logic, using the bible to prove that the bible is what the bible says the bible is.
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Top Soil
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Posted 4:46 pm, 04/21/2015
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The bible is no more proof for a god than a Spiderman comic book is proof for Doc Octopus.
Also there are dozens of "holy" books all claiming to be the divinely inspired word of a god. What demonstrable evidence do you have that proves the bible is the only true one?
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1047pm
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Posted 4:36 pm, 04/21/2015
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What we are simply asking for is demonstrable proof. That is all. A test anyone can perform to prove the existence of the supernatural.
Matthew 12: 38Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
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Top Soil
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Posted 4:21 pm, 04/21/2015
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1047pm (view profile) | Posted 3:29 pm, 04/21/2015 |
robbyrhodes (view profile) | Posted 12:58 pm, 04/21/2015 | God doesn't exist. There will be no "second coming". There is no heaven. There is no ****. The bible was written by a bunch of good story tellers, but that's all it is, a bunch of stories. |
Just because you are still blind, doesn't mean everyone is. People that have seen the glorious light will never be persuaded that there is no light. Sorry it's too late for your voice to be heard. |
What we are simply asking for is demonstrable proof. That is all. A test anyone can perform to prove the existence of the supernatural.
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1047pm
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Posted 3:29 pm, 04/21/2015
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robbyrhodes (view profile) | Posted 12:58 pm, 04/21/2015 | God doesn't exist. There will be no "second coming". There is no heaven. There is no ****. The bible was written by a bunch of good story tellers, but that's all it is, a bunch of stories. |
Just because you are still blind, doesn't mean everyone is. People that have seen the glorious light will never be persuaded that there is no light. Sorry it's too late for your voice to be heard.
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Top Soil
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Posted 3:24 pm, 04/21/2015
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1047pm (view profile) | Posted 12:56 pm, 04/21/2015 |
Top Soil (view profile) | Posted 12:34 pm, 04/21/2015 | Why do you keep quoting bible verses to a person who doesn't consider the bible as divinely inspired. |
You like to talk about the people of the world that you say died without hearing the salvation message. You have heard and reject that message, you will have no excuse on that great day of the Lord. |
I didn't reject anything. I just don't have enough compelling evidence that supports your claim. By your logic, if you want as many people to go to heaven as possible, then you should stop proselytizing completely. If people don't have a chance to reject your stories, then they get a free ticket to heaven, right?
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robbyrhodes
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Posted 12:58 pm, 04/21/2015
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God doesn't exist. There will be no "second coming". There is no heaven. There is no ****. The bible was written by a bunch of good story tellers, but that's all it is, a bunch of stories.
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1047pm
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Posted 12:56 pm, 04/21/2015
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Top Soil (view profile) | Posted 12:34 pm, 04/21/2015 | Why do you keep quoting bible verses to a person who doesn't consider the bible as divinely inspired. |
You like to talk about the people of the world that you say died without hearing the salvation message. You have heard and reject that message, you will have no excuse on that great day of the Lord.
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Top Soil
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Posted 12:34 pm, 04/21/2015
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Why do you keep quoting bible verses to a person who doesn't consider the bible as divinely inspired.
Its like quoting SpiderMan comic books to a person, and claiming they have some kind of authority in reality.
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1047pm
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Posted 12:29 pm, 04/21/2015
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Top Soil (view profile) | Posted 11:41 am, 04/21/2015 |
No help from you. Like I mentioned in another post, I post to let other non-believers/doubters see that they are not alone and its their duty to question these ideas.
The fact that you're unable to answer the question I propose is doing you a great disservice. You claim to have been called by a god to preach to other people, yet you are premature in ability to fend off even the most basic questions. From what I have noticed, you expect people to blindly follow you, and just take your word for it. Like you thought this was going to be easy. |
1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.You can question, argue,debate,deny, hide your head in the sand, go to school and get all the degrees you can carry, It will not change what the Lord has said in his Word. 1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
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robbyrhodes
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Posted 12:19 pm, 04/21/2015
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Very well said, Top Soil. Very well said.
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Top Soil
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Posted 12:01 pm, 04/21/2015
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robbyrhodes (view profile) | Posted 11:46 am, 04/21/2015 | I am an Atheist, and I am not weak. This post is nothing but bashing non-believers. You say religion has done great feats over the years, and I agree, though I would say infamous feats rather than "great". Massacres, holy wars, slaughterings of families and towns, stoning, killing in the name of your gods, etc. How can you tell me religion has given more than it has destroyed? I set forth the notion that if religion had never existed in the first place, we as a species would be more advanced than we are today. |
I still hold the idea that religion was useful when man needed a device to help them behave in a social environment. Just like how humans used astrology before we had a reliable calender, or how we had Alchemy before Chemistry. It was a response to our unquenchable thirst for knowledge and an attempt to explain our natural world when we didn't have any of the answers science has provided us today. Now that we have better devices, we need to cast off the old ones like a older child casts aside his comforting binky.
But there are still those out there that need the scaffolding that religion provides, at these are the ones who are insistent that others to listen to them and submit to their celestial babysitter.
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robbyrhodes
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Posted 11:46 am, 04/21/2015
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I am an Atheist, and I am not weak. This post is nothing but bashing non-believers. You say religion has done great feats over the years, and I agree, though I would say infamous feats rather than "great". Massacres, holy wars, slaughterings of families and towns, stoning, killing in the name of your gods, etc. How can you tell me religion has given more than it has destroyed? I set forth the notion that if religion had never existed in the first place, we as a species would be more advanced than we are today.
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Top Soil
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Posted 11:41 am, 04/21/2015
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1047pm (view profile) | Posted 11:30 am, 04/21/2015 | By the way ts thank you for keeping this thread going, The Lord can reach more people. |
No help from you. Like I mentioned in another post, I post to let other non-believers/doubters see that they are not alone and its their duty to question these ideas.
The fact that you're unable to answer the question I propose is doing you a great disservice. You claim to have been called by a god to preach to other people, yet you are premature in ability to fend off even the most basic questions.
From what I have noticed, you expect people to blindly follow you, and just take your word for it. Like you thought this was going to be easy.
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michaelhjsr
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Posted 11:32 am, 04/21/2015
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Hey hold on James 2:5-19 Peace
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1047pm
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Posted 11:30 am, 04/21/2015
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By the way ts thank you for keeping this thread going, The Lord can reach more people.
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1047pm
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Posted 11:27 am, 04/21/2015
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I'm just trying to keep you on subject.
Your question has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. This thread has to do with believers being strong when they put their faith in the True and Living God who cannot fail. Also when unbelievers try to live and deal with everyday problems without having that same Living God in their lives are weak because they don't have his help. This is Not about your natural ability, this is about circumstances that are out of your control that you may be faced with. As I said before your questions are more about distractions than you wanting to know more about God.
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