No murder charges for removing and killing baby
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Top Soil
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Posted 11:03 am, 03/29/2015
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lazerone (view profile) | Posted 10:50 am, 03/29/2015 | What a lame excuse Top Soiled. How can any human being, even the lowest liberal not pass a bill that says if you violently and forcefully cut open a 7 month old fetus from the mothers womb and kill it, that it isn''t murder. That is just evil! |
Because you don't know how writing and passing laws works. You can't write laws that are too specific in cases like these, also you can write them too general.
for example, If you pass a law that states " that if you violently and forcefully cut open a 7 month old fetus from the mothers womb and kill it, that is murder" then what about non-violent fetal killings like poisoning, or if the pregnant woman is in a car accident?
If the mother forgets to take her pre-natals and causes hart to the fetus?
so here we need to work together and pass laws that make logical sense and hold up to challenges.
Also keep in mind that Colorado's State government is equally divided between Republican and Democrats, so this "failure" is on both, yet because of your biased opinion you only focus on the one you dislike without accounting for the other. This is why people mock and dismiss you as a joke.
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lazerone
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Posted 10:50 am, 03/29/2015
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What a lame excuse Top Soiled. How can any human being, even the lowest liberal not pass a bill that says if you violently and forcefully cut open a 7 month old fetus from the mothers womb and kill it, that it isn''t murder. That is just evil!
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Top Soil
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Posted 10:43 am, 03/29/2015
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lazerone (view profile) | Posted 10:37 am, 03/29/2015 | Only in Obama's America could you slice open a mothers womb and remove a 7 month old fetus which is alive and place it in a bathtub for it to die and not be charged with murder! |
Its not an evil you can put on Obama, because One side WILL NOT work with the other to make a bill that compromises. Top Soil (view profile) | Posted 9:37 pm, 03/27/2015 | You know why the woman who did this isn't being charged with murder? Because Colorado politicians and pro-lifers keep trying to pass personhood amendments that fail every single year with 80% opposition. If someone was willing to compromise on when personhood takes place, say 'after 4-5 months', it might pass and this woman might actually get to see her child's killer go down for murder but noooo, it's all or nothing which means it's nothing or nothing because a personhood amendment making a zygote a person at the point of conception will NEVER pass in that state. |
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lazerone
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Posted 10:37 am, 03/29/2015
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Only in Obama's America could you slice open a mothers womb and remove a 7 month old fetus which is alive and place it in a bathtub for it to die and not be charged with murder!
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Top Soil
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Posted 10:35 am, 03/29/2015
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sgtkracka (view profile) | Posted 10:15 am, 03/29/2015 | ....I don't have a v*gina and my like of said v*gina prevents from deciding whether a fetuses right to life outweighs a woman's right to choose....
Now the legal issue....even my own argument breaks down when you apply some logic. If she went to get an abortion, its not murder by law. But if someone forced an abortion on her against her will as in this case then what is it? What it boils down to is you have an individual private citizen deciding all by themselves whether or not to put another person on trial for murder and not letting law enforcement , DAs, and judges decide. Ow my brain hurts. |
You sound like a logical person, totally agree with that first part.
The fine line that is walked with the "Chooses" argument is a weak one. To clarify I'm pro-choice.
But like I mentioned in a previous post, We need to define when exactly we can classify a fetus as a "person", and even this is a difficult task.
I think that a zygote is not a "person" but a fetus that can sustain itself outside the womb is life, So Personally I think abortions after 28 weeks should only be legal for medical or "other" reasons.This is not a "murder" issue or a "choice" issue. This is a "Rights" issue, "Does another human being have the right to force you to be surgically connected to them for the sole purpose to sustain its life?"
I think this is the best compromise so at least everyone can agree.
"other" = rape, incest, ext.
In my other post I'm referencing, I stated that this issue is an All-or-nothing issue and that is why its not being settled.
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sgtkracka
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Posted 10:15 am, 03/29/2015
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Legally hipower....I don't even like to debate the morality of abortion cuz even though I think it's wrong I don't have a v*gina and my like of said v*gina prevents from deciding whether a fetuses right to life outweighs a woman's right to choose. I certainly don't waste my vote on a candidate based on their views on abortion bcuz its a done ssue. Abortion is here to stay whether we like it or not.
Now the legal issue....even my own argument breaks down when you apply some logic. If she went to get an abortion, its not murder by law. But if someone forced an abortion on her against her will as in this case then what is it? What it boils down to is you have an individual private citizen deciding all by themselves whether or not to put another person on trial for murder and not letting law enforcement , DAs, and judges decide. Ow my brain hurts.
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empowers
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Posted 8:06 pm, 03/28/2015
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I should have clarified this for you. When I said " If it was her own child, it would be called abortion, not murder" I meant the attacker.
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Hepsibah
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Posted 7:59 pm, 03/28/2015
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"If it was her own child, it would be called abortion, not murder."
empowers, it WAS her own child. What are you thinking? The news today said that "she was about 8 months pregnant."
Somehow, I think you want to blame somebody for this, and NOT the attacker. Who do you want to blame?
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empowers
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Posted 7:51 pm, 03/28/2015
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When you consider that the mother wanted that child and would have loved that child and stuck by her/him, yes it is murder. If it was her own child, it would be called abortion, not murder. Sad. Makes no sense. 
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hipower
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Posted 7:06 pm, 03/28/2015
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A tough one morally? Or a tough one for legal semantics?
Not a tough one for me. Anyone who would do this crime needs to be shot in the head and rolled on a hole.
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sgtkracka
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Posted 3:43 pm, 03/28/2015
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This is a tough one though bcuz what if the mother was planning on getting an abortion anyway? Should the assailant send her a bill for services rendered?
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sgtkracka
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Posted 3:40 pm, 03/28/2015
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D%$# it, I hate it when i actually agree with lazerone on something.... But there should be a murder charge. The difference between this and abortions is that, whether or not you agree/disagree with abortion, they are legal and the choice is made by the mother. In this case the choice was not made by the mother but instead taken from her in a brutal fashion. If she were only 2days pregnant and was stabbed in the stomach by someone who didn't know she was pregnant, and the fetus was inadvertantly killed, that's one thing. But the attacker in this case knew she was pregnant and purposefully and violently cut the baby from the womb.....sometimes justice systems should take a step back from the constraints of making everything fit into some legal framework and look at the bigger picture..... This was a f%%%%'d up story.
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Top Soil
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Posted 9:39 pm, 03/27/2015
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CowBoysFan (view profile) | Posted 9:19 pm, 03/27/2015 | I find it somewhat ironic that you all demand justice for this unborn child, what about the thousands of aborted children every year. |
Get over it, Dez didn't catch it.
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Top Soil
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Posted 9:37 pm, 03/27/2015
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You know why the woman who did this isn't being charged with murder? Because Colorado politicians and pro-lifers keep trying to pass personhood amendments that fail every single year with 80% opposition. If someone was willing to compromise on when personhood takes place, say 'after 4-5 months', it might pass and this woman might actually get to see her child's killer go down for murder but noooo, it's all or nothing which means it's nothing or nothing because a personhood amendment making a zygote a person at the point of conception will NEVER pass in that state.
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BlackRose258
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Posted 9:28 pm, 03/27/2015
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I never suggested that, I feel sorry for both the baby and mother. I was stating saying attempted murder on the victim, it's not abortion I can tell you that and it has nothing to do with abortion. She tried to murder and succeeded in taking 1 life while still in the womb.This women had no intention of having abortion there for it is murder but she needs to be charged with something if they can't get her for murder.I'd slash as first and 2nd degree and throw her *** in with the big boys before making her tie the rope for her neck.**** I'd let the mother have crack at the wheel of life I'd call it where it's game board of how you shall die, and whatever the arrow hits will be the punishment.I say spice and jazz it up so them **** can sweat it out, nothing little waiting game to really put the fear in hard core murders. I know it sounds like a disgusting act to some but I can't even stand the news today without cussing a fit and seeing this kinda sick madness.I figure they gonna feed and give her the time of a life in prison while this mother lives in misery about losing a child. I can't tell you south what to charge because I have never exactly got into the law system but I sure do know one thing, it's called justice and it should be served.
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CowBoysFan
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Posted 9:19 pm, 03/27/2015
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I find it somewhat ironic that you all demand justice for this unborn child, what about the thousands of aborted children every year.
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Top Soil
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Posted 2:35 pm, 03/27/2015
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lazerone (view profile) | Posted 12:00 pm, 03/27/2015 | After attacking, beating and slicing open Wilkins baby and removing it from the womb and then leaving the baby in a bathtub to die......Colorado can't charge the suspect with murder. |
Source.
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Hepsibah
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Posted 1:14 pm, 03/27/2015
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A demon-obsessed state representative in Colorado is now saying that this brutal attack is God's punishment for legal abortion.
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