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GoNC

Posted 11:04 pm, 12/10/2018

I removed several posts that were off topic and/or trolling.

~glitter and glamour~

Posted 10:39 pm, 12/10/2018

What is wrong with chirches putting their monies in the hands of those who can most effectively use the funds and get the most out of the monies donated??

Note from GoNC: a portion of this post was removed for trolling.

168Amax

Posted 10:32 pm, 12/10/2018

There is autopsy on every body found. Its the LAW

antithesis

Posted 10:27 pm, 12/10/2018

I’ve found no reports of dead homeless people

This could be because many of them go unreported. If the police find a dead homeless person, how much of an effort do you think they make in finding the cause of death?

I can't find anything specific to North Carolina, but there are plenty of links about it throughout the US:


you need to start a church and set it up to serve as an emergency shelter.

I recognize that you're trolling, too, Sparkles, but as I said before... this isn't about me, it's about the thousands of homeless people across the state. A single altruistic church can help a few people, but a law like this could help thousands.

Note from GoNC: a portion of this post was removed that was in response to the earlier trolling. Please don't feed the trolls!

~glitter and glamour~

Posted 10:20 pm, 12/10/2018

Sex offenders wouldn't be able to enter churches with schools either.

antithesis

Posted 10:18 pm, 12/10/2018

you’d know that most homeless are professional homeless


Great! Not that you have a source other than "people say," but let's pretend that it's true.

This means that a law requiring churches to act as storm shelters when the Governor declares a State of Emergency would have little to no impact on most churches, right? And the only ones they would be helping would be the ones that aren't "professionally homeless," and don't "know how to find shelters when they need to."

Right?

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 10:18 pm, 12/10/2018

I’ve found no reports of dead homeless people

~glitter and glamour~

Posted 10:17 pm, 12/10/2018

Considering most of the homeless live in urban areas and even urban areas struggle with monies to open shelters I'm not sure why it would be easier for churches.

Note from GoNC: a portion of this post was removed for trolling.

168Amax

Posted 10:15 pm, 12/10/2018

And a lot of the pros have already migrated to fla to panhandle for the winter by DEC

aFicIoNadoS

Posted 10:14 pm, 12/10/2018

If you’d bother to do any research, or even talk to someone that works at a shelter, you’d know that most homeless are professional homeless. They know how to find shelters when they need to

~glitter and glamour~

Posted 10:09 pm, 12/10/2018

Considering there are about 125 homeless in Wilkes...

antithesis

Posted 10:08 pm, 12/10/2018

I initially referred to "homeless," but a storm shelter would be open to the public... so not just homeless people.

There are plenty of people that live in barely insulated mobile homes that could likely use a storm shelter during a major snowstorm. Or even just people without electricity that need to go somewhere with heat.

Shelters are set up for taking whole families.

An emergency storm shelter isn't the same as a homeless shelter. I think you're getting them mixed up.

168Amax

Posted 10:03 pm, 12/10/2018

And the YMCA has the same problem... we have one in Wilkes, but a homeless person in Boomer or Traphill couldn't possibly get there in an emergency without help.
Where are all those homeless people in traphill and boomer. I haven't seen any.

168Amax

Posted 10:00 pm, 12/10/2018

Most of the existing shelters have a few simple rules if people don't want to follow those. Its their decision

Aficionados

Posted 9:56 pm, 12/10/2018

If they are sex offenders and can’t enter a school, then they can’t enter a shelter either. Shelters are set up for taking whole families.

168amax

Posted 9:56 pm, 12/10/2018

The last person I can ever remember freezing to death here, passed out and froze in the yard at his HOME

sparkling water

Posted 9:54 pm, 12/10/2018

I’m sure there are problems with any alternatives to your idea. So, you need to start a church and set it up to serve as an emergency shelter. Your church can welcome those on the sex offender registry who we wouldn’t want in a school based shelter. Those church kids can handle it, of course. As you grow, you can set up an antiChurch in every community.
Show the world how it is done. Lead by example.

antithesis

Posted 9:39 pm, 12/10/2018

You know to keep from violating the separation of church and state, you could make this a condition for all other Non-profits. Why are you only suggesting churches? ;)


It's a good point, really. Churches immediately came to my mind, though, because they are essentially large houses that allow access from the public, where a lot of non-profit agencies are just office buildings. And we have more churches than we have homeless people, so they could easily accommodate.

An emergency shelter is only open for a short period of time, and it takes several volunteers to make this happen. There are several things to consider, do you have the ability to get food, do you have the liability insurance to cover it, do you have enough bathrooms, and do you have the necessary volunteers to run the shelter. One must also consider access, is it easy to get to? Do they have electricity and running water? And in the case of this latest storm do they have snow removal? And again can you get the volunteers there, just because there is a church on every corner it doesn't mean their members live within walking distance or easy travel distance.

Here are the legal requirements:


Churches should already have all of this in place to cover the requirements of regular sermons, etc. If they have the ability to have 30-200 people sit there for a few hours for a sermon then they have the ability to have 1-5 people stay there overnight.

Meals are also optional; some homeless shelters provide food, but it's not a legal requirement.

And they should already have insurance in case someone in the congregation gets hurt. It might be a different policy for the purpose of a storm shelter, but that's a small price to pay in exchange for their tax exempt status and to potentially save a life.

In our little winter storm 3 people died, 1 when a tree fell on a truck, 1 while on hospice care, and 1 had a heart attack going to a shelter.
Not a single person died from lack of a shelter.

I would be interested to read your source on this, since you don't mention what area that covers. But it's not statistically accurate:

Most deaths occurred in the conditions of cold stress (of different intensity). Deaths caused by hypothermia were thirteen-fold more frequently recorded among the homeless than for the general population. A relative risk of death for a homeless person even in moderate cold stress conditions is higher (RR = 1.84) than in thermoneutral conditions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...MC5739436/

Schools would make excellent shelters, having gymnasia, cafeteria and multiple pee pee pots. They exist in every community, are well maintained and have up to code everything.

There are two concerns with using a school:

1. some, if not many of the homeless may be on the sexual offender's list and can't legally enter the school.

2. There aren't as many schools as there are churches, and because of that the distances may make them difficult to access. There are an estimated 2,557 schools in the state, so about 1/5th the number of churches:


And the YMCA has the same problem... we have one in Wilkes, but a homeless person in Boomer or Traphill couldn't possibly get there in an emergency without help.

sparkling water

Posted 8:35 pm, 12/10/2018

Of course, it might be interesting to see if the Methodists could keep up with the Babdists in the latest shelter fashions

moon-shine

Posted 6:59 pm, 12/10/2018

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