No murder charges for removing and killing baby
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Feel Burger
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Posted 8:50 pm, 03/29/2015
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Yea. Good luck.
This site hath no shame.
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sgtkracka
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Posted 8:38 pm, 03/29/2015
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while we've had a good debate on this subject, someone brought it to my attention that the victim has connections to the boone area and some GW users actually know her....that being said I kinda would like for this entire thread to be deleted.....Its easy for us to talk in a cavalier manner about something that happened halfway across the country that seemingly has no connection to us....if I had known i would have never even posted anything on this thread out of respect for the victim or anyone that knew her. I'm especially regretting my earlier comment on "services rendered"..... I def didn't mean it in my head the way it ended up looking when typed out. I apologize to anyone that was offended and I hope the victim finds some sort of peace and solace.
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empowers
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Posted 3:26 pm, 03/29/2015
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Said I was glad I did not get an abortion 33 years ago as my husband requested of me. If someone had cut the baby out of my stomach knowing full well the baby may die and I might die you dern tootin' that person needs to be taken off the streets and put away so she can't hurt anyone else.
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Top Soil
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Posted 3:03 pm, 03/29/2015
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Old School 1951 (view profile) | Posted 1:20 pm, 03/29/2015 |
I am a little confused Top Soil, You are trying to blame the pro-life supporters for this? That is a stretch. You say someone should compromise and say after 4 or 5 months life begins, now you say 7 months. Why not 3 months, why not 2 months? Are you the one setting the time? How about at conception? I was a little confused about it to until someone asked me what the definition of abort is. Do you know what abort means?
Look it up in any dime store dictionary and see. When you understand what abort means it leads you to ask, abort what. What is it that abortion is trying to stop? Could it be "life"? Just asking I have already looked it up but if you read it from someone else and stop struggling to redefine it you will not look like such a fool. By the way, quoting scripture out of context and accusing God will not advance your cause either.
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Not blaming pro-lifers on this, Blaming the all-or-nothing politics behind personhood bills that don't have a chance on passing....ever.
When did I say 7 months? six and a half maybe, but I'll rather have the lower of those numbers. The reason I mentioned 4-5 months is because after 24 Weeks(5 months) a fetus has the capability to survive outside the womb, i.e. sustain its own life. 28 Weeks(6.5 months) the chances for survival go up like 80%.
I'm not the one setting the time, science is...or to make it easier for some people to understand it "god" does. abort verb \ə-ˈbȯrt\
.... : to stop something before it is completed because of problems or danger
This is a weak argument because if the you are trying to prevent life from not-not happening(Yes i know a double negative but bear with me) then shouldn't we be punished for not trying to copulate every minute of every day? because by not having sexual intercourse 24/7 we are preventing life from happening.
I didn't take that scripture out of context, go and read the full chapter, including the ones before and after. I actually read the bible when I was young, and didn't rely on preachers to tell me what it said. read it for yourself.
Here is my question;
Does a human being have the right to force another human being into supporting their life? or Can you force a human being to donate an organ to another human being?
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Old School 1951
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Posted 1:20 pm, 03/29/2015
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Top Soil (view profile) | Posted 9:37 pm, 03/27/2015 | You know why the woman who did this isn't being charged with murder? Because Colorado politicians and pro-lifers keep trying to pass personhood amendments that fail every single year with 80% opposition. If someone was willing to compromise on when personhood takes place, say 'after 4-5 months', it might pass and this woman might actually get to see her child's killer go down for murder
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I am a little confused Top Soil, You are trying to blame the pro-life supporters for this? That is a stretch. You say someone should compromise and say after 4 or 5 months life begins, now you say 7 months. Why not 3 months, why not 2 months? Are you the one setting the time? How about at conception? I was a little confused about it to until someone asked me what the definition of abort is. Do you know what abort means? Look it up in any dime store dictionary and see. When you understand what abort means it leads you to ask, abort what. What is it that abortion is trying to stop? Could it be "life"? Just asking I have already looked it up but if you read it from someone else and stop struggling to redefine it you will not look like such a fool. By the way, quoting scripture out of context and accusing God will not advance your cause either.
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Top Soil
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Posted 12:50 pm, 03/29/2015
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sgtkracka (view profile) | Posted 12:30 pm, 03/29/2015 | sgtkracka (view profile)
Posted 11:04 am, 03/29/2015
I guess what my flawed argument boiled down to was that if she wanted an abortion anyway then "it" wouldn't have been murder
OK I caught myself using a vague reference that might have created some confusion....by "it" I meant if she had wanted an abortion and gotten one at a clinic then "it" would not have been murder. |
This too is a cloudy argument. because it justifies that certain areas or buildings are justified "murder" zones. This is not settling to me.
Like mentioned before, putting the "personhood" label on a fetus after 28 weeks is both a measurable and logically sound method for distinguishing this subject.
Keep in mind insurance companies already do this for life insurance pay outs. The dividing line between miscarriage(loss of carriage) and a still birth.
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sgtkracka
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Posted 12:30 pm, 03/29/2015
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sgtkracka (view profile)
Posted 11:04 am, 03/29/2015
I guess what my flawed argument boiled down to was that if she wanted an abortion anyway then "it" wouldn't have been murder
OK I caught myself using a vague reference that might have created some confusion....by "it" I meant if she had wanted an abortion and gotten one at a clinic then "it" would not have been murder.
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Top Soil
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Posted 11:49 am, 03/29/2015
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empowers (view profile) | Posted 11:30 am, 03/29/2015 | .... Sad when the difference between life and death for a little one is based on whether or not you are wanted. |
This is not the argument being made.
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sgtkracka
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Posted 11:37 am, 03/29/2015
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I think we're saying the same thing topsoil, in reference to the fallacy of choosing concept...I finally figured out what the hello I'm trying to say.... I still think the woman should be charged with murder.....I just can't back it up with a logical argument.....I guess I'm going on emotion. Maybe it would be better for me to say I "want" her to be charged with murder, but the legal system can't operate on emotion.....they have to be able to justify their decisions logically. That's why this one is a tough one.....i would not want to be the people deciding.
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empowers
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Posted 11:30 am, 03/29/2015
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If the mother decided she did not want the baby and had an abortion it would be abortion but she apparently wanted the baby so when the attacker cut it out of her stomach (forced abortion) that could be seen as murder. And no doubt the attacker could have killed the mother through loss of bloos, but apparently didn't care so that is attempted murder. Sad when the difference between life and death for a little one is based on whether or not you are wanted. 
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Top Soil
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Posted 11:27 am, 03/29/2015
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Like I said, All you have is grade school insults. You already lost this argument. Go change screen names already.
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lazerone
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Posted 11:26 am, 03/29/2015
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Liberal Baby Killers = ISIS This is Obama's America
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Top Soil
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Posted 11:22 am, 03/29/2015
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lazerone (view profile) | Posted 11:17 am, 03/29/2015 | It is not justified in the Bible. It is mentioned in the Bible as a punishment but not justified. Yes, this is something that Islamic terrorist aka ISIS would do and pot loving liberals of Colorado. Obamas America! |
So if god does it = 100% ok
but if ISIS does it = horrible act of pure evil.
LOL
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Feel Burger
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Posted 11:20 am, 03/29/2015
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Dude.
Put down the drugs. You are destroying your brain.
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Top Soil
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Posted 11:20 am, 03/29/2015
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sgtkracka (view profile) | Posted 11:04 am, 03/29/2015 | I guess what my flawed argument boiled down to was that if she wanted an abortion anyway then it wouldn't have been murder but if someone else chose for her even though their choice just happened to coincide with hers, then it would have been murder bcuz why? I don't know.....and that's where my argument broke down. |
I never felt that this was a valid argument. Because it can be lead to the fallacy of choosing to kill someone.
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lazerone
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Posted 11:17 am, 03/29/2015
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It is not justified in the Bible. It is mentioned in the Bible as a punishment but not justified. Yes, this is something that Islamic terrorist aka ISIS would do and pot loving liberals of Colorado. Obamas America!
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Top Soil
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Posted 11:13 am, 03/29/2015
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lazerone (view profile) | Posted 11:06 am, 03/29/2015 | Top Soil......I think you are joke. There is nothing worse than arrogant liberal that thinks they know everything. In most other states this would be murder, so yes there can be laws passed calling this murder. This is what happens when you liberals and pro abortion advocates pass laws. Taking a baby from the womb is right up there with ISIS and is why abortion should be illegal. |
Name calling. Is that your best defense for your position. Weak.
Also using ISIS to justify why taking babies from the womb is immoral, is pretty ironic considering that it is justified in the bible to do that exact same thing. Hosea 13:16, 2 Kings 15:16
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lazerone
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Posted 11:06 am, 03/29/2015
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Top Soil......I think you are joke. There is nothing worse than arrogant liberal that thinks they know everything. In most other states this would be murder, so yes there can be laws passed calling this murder. This is what happens when you liberals and pro abortion advocates pass laws. Taking a baby from the womb is right up there with ISIS and is why abortion should be illegal.
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sgtkracka
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Posted 11:04 am, 03/29/2015
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I guess what my flawed argument boiled down to was that if she wanted an abortion anyway then it wouldn't have been murder but if someone else chose for her even though their choice just happened to coincide with hers, then it would have been murder bcuz why? I don't know.....and that's where my argument broke down.
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