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For the benefit of the simpletons I wiil define fascist without going into a long political dissertation: Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Putin and Trump. There's quite a few more but you should get the picture from that sample.

Gosh, Mikey! What a difficult childhood you had! Add getting physically abused to boot! Have you considered getting therapy?

Don't this sound like democrats????

Narcissists don't "Raise" children, they groom them to fill needs in their lives

Mikey pulling from an online forum that begins with red. Makes a lot of sense.

How do narcissists treat their kids?

Narcissists don't "Raise" children, they groom them to fill needs in their lives.

Just wanted to throw this out there, as I think that there is a massive disconnect that begins with the narcissists assumption that doing the bare- *** minimum (Food, Clothing, Shelter, possibly less beatings than the nparents got) in child rearing is a Gold Metal performance.

It continues with the idea that they "raised" you. Raising a child is an exercise in taking a little human being and equipping them for success as an adult.

In this modern age that includes independence from their parents, though, as an aside, for much of human history it was more being a productive member of the patriarchal clan.

I don't think a Narcissist is capable of raising a child. They groom them to fill roles in their life. If a narcissist doesn't have a role for you to fill, then they just emotionally abandon you, or at least that's my experience. And generally the roles are "Golden Child", "Scape Goat", "Servant", "Retirement Plan", etc...

Sometimes this leads to creating another narcissist, sometimes this leads to an abuse survivor that wasn't equipped with some set of the skills that are needed for adulthood plus a bunch of coping mechanisms of various levels of dysfunctional.

My personal experience is that my nmother had no use for me as a young woman but kept up appearances in raising me, and my more covert nfather groomed me to be his caretaker - a role I fulfilled - and serve as his emotional support & marital therapist. So while my mother was legitimately difficult - I have so much emotional incest and gaslighing around her, I don't know where my experience of her ends and my father's gaslighting begins.

In watching my nsister and a ncoworker, they are highly driven for success, but resort to the emotional abuse and delusions&gaslighting when things don't go their way.

I, OTHO, basically have very little drive, which I attribute to being driven by nmother-father-sister, and really just focus on the coping mechanisms that cause the least disruption in my life - gaming, books and other escapism.

Bottom line: our parents didn't raise us, because a narc' only cares about uplifting themselves

I would like to ask Acumen what his/her definition of a fascist is.

Good post, Michael (and Ohhi).

I don't know what your last post has to do with this thread Mikey but that kind of statement could get you kicked out of the Trump Mutual Admiration Society.

7 The rich ruleth over the POOR, and the borrower is SERVANT
( SLAVE) to the lender

"Let the kids be born so we can beat them?" - Rev Mike.

Actually I think Mikey's got a good argument, Trump was spoiled rotten as a child and became such a problem that he was sent off to military school. Even the military school couldn't handle him so they kicked him out. After he dropped out of college his daddy gave him a million bucks and told him to go out and be a "self made" man. See what you get when you don't beat the crap out of 'em.

I love the old "I was abused so children now should be abused" argument! The classics never go out of style.

Proverbs 22 6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

7 The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.

8 He that soweth iniquity shall reap vanity: and the rod of his anger shall fail.

That actually explains a lot.

Ironically, it is always illogical fascists who use the bible to prove anything. Mike, why did you vote for someone like Trump?

Proverbs 13:24 — King James Version (KJV 1900)
24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son:

But he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Proverbs 13:24 — New Living Translation (NLT)
24 Those who spare the rod of discipline hate their children.

Those who love their children care enough to discipline them

Seems like I found a pattern here. Whipped children become illogical fascists.

Ohhi. Amen!!!

in fact the whoopings i got were all deserved and like you i learned to respect and follow the rules they taught me right from wrong and while i didnt enjoy those whoopings today im thankful for the raising I had and thank my parents for loving me enough to teach me it wasnt abuse it was love.

Have to laugh at people who are against spanking. My parents whipped my butt like there was no tomorrow.

I didn't hate them. I didn't have trust issues with them because of it.

I didn't fear them.... But I **** sure respected them!!!! I learned what my boundaries were, and knew what would happen if I crossed them. I wasn't abused, I was disciplined....