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Looters and your store.

bluebird1

Posted 8:59 pm, 08/21/2014

I read an article today about a tire store that the looters destroyed. Knocked out all the glass windows ,stole single tires,wheels and anything else they could steal. Broke all windows out of a customers Escalade and stole the radio. Left all customers vehicles running in the shop. The police showed up 30 minutes after the breaking started. The owner said $100,000.00 damage. He will rebuild but the windows will be 3 feet from floor,if they come in again be dealing with broken glass in the hands and body.

moving101

Posted 8:14 pm, 08/21/2014

blimey2 (view profile)

Posted 8:52 am, 08/20/2014

I wonder if the owners of the bowling alley/skating rink had the attitude that stuff is just stuff? I think the magnitude of the loss of a business is being minimized. The loss of one's livlihood.


I wonder if the owners now realize why insurance is a good investment? Read the fine print, ask questions, buy the right policy.

Material belongings are not worth the risk of dying over. It is not being a coward to be smart. JMO

pantera

Posted 8:05 pm, 08/21/2014

Grow a pair and protect what you have worked for or these THUGS will take over anywhere.

bluebird1

Posted 8:03 pm, 08/21/2014

I was taught do not put all your eggs in one basket. A person can always get a new start somewhere.

pantera

Posted 8:00 pm, 08/21/2014

Everything you have worked for all of your life. Are you an American?

bluebird1

Posted 7:54 pm, 08/21/2014

I would just let them have it all and walk away.Move to a different city.Soon it would be another Detroit.

pantera

Posted 7:45 pm, 08/21/2014

It is ethical to shoot anyone who breaks in your store I don't care if they're stealing a pack of mustard at the hotdog counter it is not theirs.

pantera

Posted 7:34 pm, 08/21/2014

If our government cant even stop a bunch of THUGS rioting and looting in Ferguson how can they go after ISIS in the middle east?

Cajahah

Posted 6:00 pm, 08/21/2014

Is it ethical to shoot someone over money?

Joseph T.

Posted 5:57 pm, 08/21/2014

onlyinthefalls (view profile)

Posted 11:06 am, 08/20/2014

The caution to read your insurance needs not be taken lightly. The activities occurring in Ferguson most likely will not be covered by insurance, due to the warfare or domestic terrorism clauses.
For those who want to kill the looters, will you be protected by the laws for defending yourself, if the looters make no threat against your person? Can you claim that the store is your castle which you have a right to defend with deadly force?
You have the right to own and bear arms to protect yourself, does "yourself" include your stuff?

To answer your question in NC the answer is yes.

§ 14-51.2. Home, workplace, and motor vehicle protection; presumption of fear of death or serious bodily harm.

(a) The following definitions apply in this section:

(1) Home. - A building or conveyance of any kind, to include its curtilage, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed as a temporary or permanent residence.

(2) Law enforcement officer. - Any person employed or appointed as a full-time, part-time, or auxiliary law enforcement officer, correctional officer, probation officer, post-release supervision officer, or parole officer.

(3) Motor vehicle. - As defined in G.S. 20-4.01(23).

(4) Workplace. - A building or conveyance of any kind, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, which is being used for commercial purposes.

(b) The lawful occupant of a home, motor vehicle, or workplace is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily harm to another if both of the following apply:

(1) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a home, motor vehicle, or workplace, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person's will from the home, motor vehicle, or workplace.

(2) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

(c) The presumption set forth in subsection (b) of this section shall be rebuttable and does not apply in any of the following circumstances:

(1) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the home, motor vehicle, or workplace, such as an owner or lessee, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person.

(2) The person sought to be removed from the home, motor vehicle, or workplace is a child or grandchild or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of the person against whom the defensive force is used.

(3) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in, attempting to escape from, or using the home, motor vehicle, or workplace to further any criminal offense that involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.

(4) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman who enters or attempts to enter a home, motor vehicle, or workplace in the lawful performance of his or her official duties, and the officer or bail bondsman identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman in the lawful performance of his or her official duties.

(5) The person against whom the defensive force is used (i) has discontinued all efforts to unlawfully and forcefully enter the home, motor vehicle, or workplace and (ii) has exited the home, motor vehicle, or workplace.

(d) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person's home, motor vehicle, or workplace is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

(e) A person who uses force as permitted by this section is justified in using such force and is immune from civil or criminal liability for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman who was lawfully acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer or bail bondsman identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman in the lawful performance of his or her official duties.

(f) A lawful occupant within his or her home, motor vehicle, or workplace does not have a duty to retreat from an intruder in the circumstances described in this section.

(g) This section is not intended to repeal or limit any other defense that may exist under the common law. (2011-268, s. 1.)

§ 14-51.3. Use of force in defense of person; relief from criminal or civil liability.

(a) A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that the conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat in any place he or she has the lawful right to be if either of the following applies:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another.

(2) Under the circumstances permitted pursuant to G.S. 14-51.2.

(b) A person who uses force as permitted by this section is justified in using such force and is immune from civil or criminal liability for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman who was lawfully acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer or bail bondsman identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman in the lawful performance of his or her official duties. (2011-268, s. 1.)

sweetonennc

Posted 4:24 pm, 08/21/2014

shoot in the head aim too kill

onlyinthefalls

Posted 11:13 am, 08/20/2014

While not a legal opinion I was able to find the following regarding typical business owners insurance.

phineas t lardbottom

Posted 11:10 am, 08/20/2014

dale61

Posted 8:39 am, 08/20/2014

If they are stupid enough to steal,,They most likely have a lot more fire power than you

Try to come into my business or house and we will see about that!

onlyinthefalls

Posted 11:06 am, 08/20/2014

The caution to read your insurance needs not be taken lightly. The activities occurring in Ferguson most likely will not be covered by insurance, due to the warfare or domestic terrorism clauses.


For those who want to kill the looters, will you be protected by the laws for defending yourself, if the looters make no threat against your person? Can you claim that the store is your castle which you have a right to defend with deadly force?

You have the right to own and bear arms to protect yourself, does "yourself" include your stuff?

kenc

Posted 11:06 am, 08/20/2014

Good thread for people to brag about their firepower. Don't know what I'd do.

mommotwo

Posted 11:03 am, 08/20/2014

If you lock your doors, then you have a little bit of time to react. Having a dog to alert helps too. Have you ever had someone try to break into your house, Umpire?

Umpire

Posted 10:43 am, 08/20/2014

I JUST LOVE HOW THESE IDIOTS ON HERE SAY THAT THEY WILL GRAB A FIREARM AND PROTECT THEMSELVES IF THE GET BROKEN INTO. LIKE THEY ARE GOING TO BE WALKING ARFOUND THE HOUSE WITH A GUN STRAPPED TO THEIR SIDE OR THAT A BURGLAR IS GOING TO CALL AHEAD AND TELL THEM THAT THEY ARE ON THE WAY.

Bestill

Posted 10:37 am, 08/20/2014

No, I am speaking from personal experience. When I lost every freaking thing, the insurance paid more than I had valued the stuff, and I lost every freaking thing. When I got that insurance check, I thought, "DANG!" I was so better off! All I can say is get good insurance, and then you never need to worry about stuff. you will get better, newer stuff!

empowers

Posted 10:29 am, 08/20/2014

Okay, so you would let the insurance company settle it? My experience with insurance is you never get the full value of what was stolen. Also, if you call the law how long will it take for them to get there? Will they get there in time to call the morgue to pick you up and clean up the mess? Tell you what. You be a good little girl/boy and refuse to own any kind of weapon. After all self defense is definitely not in vogue lately. I will keep my shotgun, etc. and will use it if I have to.

hope75

Posted 10:12 am, 08/20/2014

There are two district mindsets in this thread... One is that people work to have "stuff." The other (I think) is that people's work should fulfill them, and life is not about the material things.

If your life is about your possessions that you've worked for, I can understand wanting to protect that...it's all you've got.

Personally, I'd hope my life is about more than that. I could never shoot someone unless I felt my life or the lives of my children were in danger, and only after I had done everything in power to remove us from that danger. I don't think I could shoot someone over material things.

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